1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:02,890 greeting citizens and welcome to unknown 2 00:00:06,220 --> 00:00:04,810 [Music] 3 00:00:24,820 --> 00:00:06,230 [Applause] 4 00:00:27,130 --> 00:00:24,830 [Music] 5 00:00:29,319 --> 00:00:27,140 I'm Jason McClellan thanks for hanging 6 00:00:31,929 --> 00:00:29,329 out with me the question of whether or 7 00:00:33,670 --> 00:00:31,939 not UFOs posed a threat has been an 8 00:00:35,710 --> 00:00:33,680 enduring question throughout UFO history 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:35,720 and it's one that seemingly picked up 10 00:00:40,330 --> 00:00:37,970 some momentum recently so let's briefly 11 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:40,340 look at this question together and I'll 12 00:00:43,899 --> 00:00:42,170 share my take on it's you the primary 13 00:00:46,270 --> 00:00:43,909 catalyst for the current resurgence of 14 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:46,280 the question are UFOs a threat is 15 00:00:49,299 --> 00:00:48,559 seemingly to the Stars Academy of Arts 16 00:00:51,430 --> 00:00:49,309 and Science 17 00:00:53,590 --> 00:00:51,440 a hybrid research and entertainment 18 00:00:55,509 --> 00:00:53,600 company made up of former government and 19 00:00:57,700 --> 00:00:55,519 military personnel and scientists on a 20 00:01:00,369 --> 00:00:57,710 mission to explore exotic science and 21 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:00,379 materials to change the world and to 22 00:01:04,509 --> 00:01:02,030 influence public perception surrounding 23 00:01:06,370 --> 00:01:04,519 the topic of UFOs the term threat has 24 00:01:07,749 --> 00:01:06,380 been used by the company repeatedly over 25 00:01:10,330 --> 00:01:07,759 the course of its nearly three-year 26 00:01:11,980 --> 00:01:10,340 history the word is even used in the 27 00:01:14,380 --> 00:01:11,990 description to the company's current TV 28 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:14,390 show on history unidentified inside 29 00:01:19,419 --> 00:01:17,090 America's UFO investigation the show's 30 00:01:22,270 --> 00:01:19,429 description explains that its purpose is 31 00:01:24,669 --> 00:01:22,280 to quote produce tangible evidence to 32 00:01:27,430 --> 00:01:24,679 build the most indisputable case for the 33 00:01:30,729 --> 00:01:27,440 existence and threat of UFOs ever 34 00:01:33,100 --> 00:01:30,739 assembled and quote one individual who's 35 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:33,110 been quite vocal in response to TTS A's 36 00:01:39,279 --> 00:01:36,410 use of the term threat is Steven Greer a 37 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:39,289 well-known and polarizing personality in 38 00:01:43,510 --> 00:01:40,369 the UFO world 39 00:01:45,969 --> 00:01:43,520 Greer's not a fan of characterizing UFOs 40 00:01:48,749 --> 00:01:45,979 as a threats he's known for his stance 41 00:01:52,419 --> 00:01:48,759 that extraterrestrials are benevolent 42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:52,429 wait did we just abruptly jump from UFOs 43 00:01:55,660 --> 00:01:53,450 to ETS 44 00:01:59,199 --> 00:01:55,670 UFOs and extraterrestrials aren't the 45 00:02:01,570 --> 00:01:59,209 same thing yeah some UFOs could be of 46 00:02:04,029 --> 00:02:01,580 extraterrestrial origin some could be 47 00:02:06,790 --> 00:02:04,039 piloted by ETS but certainly not all 48 00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:06,800 UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecraft 49 00:02:11,979 --> 00:02:09,110 so Greer's taking offense at the word 50 00:02:14,589 --> 00:02:11,989 threat when talking about UFOs is a bit 51 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:14,599 of an overreaction like I said he's been 52 00:02:18,729 --> 00:02:16,370 very vocally opposed to this 53 00:02:21,430 --> 00:02:18,739 characterization and he specifically 54 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:21,440 voiced his displeasure at TTS a and its 55 00:02:27,009 --> 00:02:24,650 team specifically Lewis Elizondo here's 56 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:27,019 one example back in 2018 57 00:02:31,150 --> 00:02:28,970 Greer posted this on Twitter quote 58 00:02:32,980 --> 00:02:31,160 Elizondo is / was known as a 59 00:02:35,890 --> 00:02:32,990 counterintelligence agent in the 60 00:02:38,260 --> 00:02:35,900 Pentagon one of the best meaning he has 61 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:38,270 a role to play to deceive the public and 62 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:42,050 present you a PE UFO et events as a 63 00:02:47,650 --> 00:02:44,870 threat it's all spin by the spin 64 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:47,660 Meister's in quote this is also a big 65 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:50,570 theme in his latest documentary film so 66 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:53,330 let's get back to TTS a something to 67 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:56,120 keep in mind is that TTS A's efforts are 68 00:03:00,550 --> 00:02:58,370 and have always been focused on the 69 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:00,560 military they work closely with the 70 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:02,660 military they have contracts with the 71 00:03:06,340 --> 00:03:04,370 government and they're actively working 72 00:03:09,190 --> 00:03:06,350 on gaining additional partnerships with 73 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:09,200 the military their TV show on history 74 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:11,330 focuses on the military and on 75 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:14,210 influencing Congress Lewis Elizondo 76 00:03:18,309 --> 00:03:16,490 addressed the use of the word threat on 77 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:18,319 a recent episode of the company's 78 00:03:23,380 --> 00:03:20,720 podcast I think where this falls into 79 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:23,390 the category of is potential threats 80 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:24,770 because we don't have enough information 81 00:03:30,610 --> 00:03:27,650 to establish whether something is or is 82 00:03:33,430 --> 00:03:30,620 not a threat so at least from my time an 83 00:03:36,309 --> 00:03:33,440 agent we had to do work under the 84 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:36,319 auspices that everything is a potential 85 00:03:40,449 --> 00:03:38,510 threat until we are sure it is not a 86 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:40,459 threat and Franklin do you want your 87 00:03:44,260 --> 00:03:42,650 Department of Defense to look at things 88 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:44,270 through that optic we're not a 89 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:46,370 humanitarian assistance organization 90 00:03:49,380 --> 00:03:47,810 when you look at what the job is of the 91 00:03:51,940 --> 00:03:49,390 Department of Defense it's very quickly 92 00:03:54,910 --> 00:03:51,950 identify and neutralize a potential 93 00:03:56,230 --> 00:03:54,920 adversary so shouldn't be you know a 94 00:03:58,330 --> 00:03:56,240 surprise to anybody 95 00:04:01,449 --> 00:03:58,340 the military has used the word threat in 96 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:01,459 relation to UFOs for decades for the 97 00:04:06,580 --> 00:04:03,430 very reason that Elizondo pointed out 98 00:04:08,350 --> 00:04:06,590 that's the focus of the military looking 99 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:08,360 at things and assessing potential 100 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:10,760 threats various official government UFO 101 00:04:16,330 --> 00:04:12,830 studies ended because it was determined 102 00:04:18,039 --> 00:04:16,340 that UFOs don't pose a threat the US Air 103 00:04:21,129 --> 00:04:18,049 Force's Project Blue Book concluded that 104 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:21,139 quote no UFO reported investigated and 105 00:04:25,689 --> 00:04:23,690 evaluated by the Air Force was ever an 106 00:04:26,469 --> 00:04:25,699 indication of a threat to our national 107 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:26,479 security 108 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:29,210 unquote the CIA's Robertson panel 109 00:04:33,909 --> 00:04:31,130 concluded that quote there was no 110 00:04:35,650 --> 00:04:33,919 obvious security threat in quote the 111 00:04:37,809 --> 00:04:35,660 British Ministry of Defense's official 112 00:04:40,929 --> 00:04:37,819 UFO project closed in 2009 after 113 00:04:42,850 --> 00:04:40,939 determining that quote no UFO report has 114 00:04:46,059 --> 00:04:42,860 revealed any evidence of a potential 115 00:04:47,260 --> 00:04:46,069 threat to the United Kingdom in quote my 116 00:04:49,299 --> 00:04:47,270 friend and colleague Maureen Elsberry 117 00:04:51,020 --> 00:04:49,309 and I asked retired Army colonel John 118 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:51,030 Alexander about UFOs being a 119 00:04:56,060 --> 00:04:53,820 threat back in 2012 Colonel Alexander 120 00:04:57,610 --> 00:04:56,070 during their time in the military and 121 00:05:00,350 --> 00:04:57,620 all your research you've done on 122 00:05:02,660 --> 00:05:00,360 unidentified objects do you feel that 123 00:05:07,190 --> 00:05:02,670 these flying unidentified craft are a 124 00:05:09,740 --> 00:05:07,200 supposed security threat no I do think 125 00:05:11,930 --> 00:05:09,750 there's been a few isolated incidents in 126 00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:11,940 which they're a major threat but you 127 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:14,190 know by definition the Department of 128 00:05:19,130 --> 00:05:16,050 Defense has looked at and said this is 129 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:19,140 not a threat and if you go back 50 years 130 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:21,660 we haven't been invaded but aren't 131 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:23,520 objects that we have no idea what they 132 00:05:27,740 --> 00:05:24,000 are 133 00:05:29,270 --> 00:05:27,750 isn't that a threat no no many things we 134 00:05:33,470 --> 00:05:29,280 don't know what they are I mean that's 135 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:33,480 the nature of reality so just because we 136 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:36,000 don't know what what it is I think Nick 137 00:05:41,030 --> 00:05:37,950 you've asked an important question and 138 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:41,040 this has to do with American cultures we 139 00:05:45,590 --> 00:05:43,440 treat everything as a threat that's how 140 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:45,600 we sell things this would be a you know 141 00:05:50,930 --> 00:05:49,050 toothpaste or so for whatever we create 142 00:05:52,970 --> 00:05:50,940 threats so we just used to that 143 00:05:55,940 --> 00:05:52,980 environment and we've done that now with 144 00:05:57,980 --> 00:05:55,950 your phone personally I've always been 145 00:06:00,920 --> 00:05:57,990 in the mindset that unidentified objects 146 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:00,930 in our airspace do pose a threat because 147 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:02,910 like Elizondo pointed out on the recent 148 00:06:07,730 --> 00:06:05,280 episode of the TTS a podcast you can't 149 00:06:09,650 --> 00:06:07,740 eliminate something as a threat until 150 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:09,660 you know what it is I think when it 151 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:11,310 comes to people who object to the term 152 00:06:17,740 --> 00:06:14,730 threat associated with UFOs there's a 153 00:06:20,150 --> 00:06:17,750 confusion between threats and hostility 154 00:06:22,580 --> 00:06:20,160 just because something poses a potential 155 00:06:26,210 --> 00:06:22,590 threat doesn't imply that it's 156 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:26,220 malevolent the reality with UFOs is that 157 00:06:30,290 --> 00:06:27,810 we have lots of strange things in our 158 00:06:32,510 --> 00:06:30,300 skies and countless pilots both 159 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:32,520 commercial and military have almost 160 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:35,280 collided with these UFOs fighter jets 161 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:37,020 have been scrambled to intercept UFOs 162 00:06:41,090 --> 00:06:38,910 and have been unsuccessful in their 163 00:06:43,730 --> 00:06:41,100 attempts that's the bottom line with 164 00:06:46,190 --> 00:06:43,740 this topic there are unidentified craft 165 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:46,200 flying around that we can't identify and 166 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:48,960 although these objects don't typically 167 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:51,810 do anything that seems hostile even if 168 00:06:57,230 --> 00:06:54,510 they did our military seemingly couldn't 169 00:06:59,300 --> 00:06:57,240 do anything about it that my friends is 170 00:07:01,400 --> 00:06:59,310 what makes a potential threat 171 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:01,410 well citizens that's going to do it 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186 00:07:31,010 --> 00:07:29,370 McClellan do us a favor friends always 187 00:07:32,929 --> 00:07:31,020 treat the UFO subject with the cautious 188 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:32,939 and responsible skepticism that deserves 189 00:07:38,330 --> 00:07:35,610 question everything had the courage to 190 00:07:40,129 --> 00:07:38,340 form your own opinions keep truth as the 191 00:07:42,050 --> 00:07:40,139 focus of your quest even if the truth 192 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:42,060 conflicts with your opinions and of 193 00:07:52,020 --> 00:07:43,970 course stay strange 194 00:07:54,090 --> 00:07:52,030 [Music]